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Send message Joined: 14 Sep 23 Posts: 3 Credit: 31,393 RAC: 1,011 |
I was not told I was banned, just no tasks available. The top contributor Mikey has more than one host running a task at once. So it must be possible.I seem to be stuck on one task per account, not client. I attached 8 machines at once. All but one did something weird and claimed it couldn't contact the server, but continued to talk to it, asked twice, then got told off for last request too recent. One got a task, then since then the other hosts have just been told "got 0 new tasks" as though there's none available.Yes I already mentioned that above. That last message means there are problems connecting to the Project, probably because it's in Russia and there is a War, or whatever they call it, going on. I get the same thing but keep trying and it eventually goes thru. |
Send message Joined: 17 Sep 23 Posts: 42 Credit: 21,091 RAC: 1,117 |
That last message means there are problems connecting to the Project, probably because it's in Russia and there is a War, or whatever they call it, going on.It's what NATO calls it, but I never asked to be a member. All I know is my petrol and electric prices are stupidly high and I won't be voting for the current government again. I get the same thing but keep trying and it eventually goes thru.Mine stopped when I put VB 7 on. Not sure why you're still getting them. |
Send message Joined: 14 Sep 23 Posts: 3 Credit: 31,393 RAC: 1,011 |
Due to the peculiarities of using virtualization technology, the following approach is used: It's a brand new, to the public, Project and it makes sense to limit the number of tasks per user so everyone gets some and not one person gets all of them and the rest of us get none. As the Admin said overtime they expect to up that to more tasks per pc. Look at the Project Ithena and how they are always having 'database full' messages because too many users are overwhelming the amount of space they have. They are working on it by increasing some of the task sizes but it will take time and probably money to fix the problem. MilkyWay limits the number of tasks a single user can get as well, it's not an uncommon thing, remember this is about the Science and one user crunching all the data can cause HUGE problems if their pc is not working correctly. |
Send message Joined: 16 Sep 23 Posts: 10 Credit: 42,721 RAC: 2,816 |
Perhaps you should try some of the solutions in this post? Ding! Success! I went down through the various suggestions in that post. None worked for me until one of the last entries that said to run the following in a command windows as admin: bcdedit /set hypervisorlaunchtype off I guess with both hypervisor entries in windows features unchecked, hypervisor was still starting at boot for some reason. This command solved that for me. Thanks for your help! Edit: I am pretty sure I tried this command earlier, and it didn't solve the problem. Perhaps after trying some of the other suggestions first, and then doing this, in conjunction it finally worked? No idea, but it's working now, and that is all that really matters. |
Send message Joined: 17 Sep 23 Posts: 42 Credit: 21,091 RAC: 1,117 |
It's a brand new, to the public, Project and it makes sense to limit the number of tasks per user so everyone gets some and not one person gets all of them and the rest of us get none. As the Admin said overtime they expect to up that to more tasks per pc. Look at the Project Ithena and how they are always having 'database full' messages because too many users are overwhelming the amount of space they have. They are working on it by increasing some of the task sizes but it will take time and probably money to fix the problem. MilkyWay limits the number of tasks a single user can get as well, it's not an uncommon thing, remember this is about the Science and one user crunching all the data can cause HUGE problems if their pc is not working correctly.I've just joined Ithena, looks like the measurements project runs all the time, but there's no point in running it on more than one computer since it's checking your internet connection and they'd all get the same answer. The computation one I put on all of them, but that only has work every few weeks for 12 hours. The measurements one only has Linux tasks available just now, so I added it with a Virtualbox Linux. ROFL it warns you will be connecting to porn sites. Waits for police at door.... |
Send message Joined: 18 Sep 23 Posts: 7 Credit: 3,465 RAC: 260 |
It's a brand new, to the public, Project and it makes sense to limit the number of tasks per user so everyone gets some and not one person gets all of them and the rest of us get none. As the Admin said overtime they expect to up that to more tasks per pc. Look at the Project Ithena and how they are always having 'database full' messages because too many users are overwhelming the amount of space they have. They are working on it by increasing some of the task sizes but it will take time and probably money to fix the problem. MilkyWay limits the number of tasks a single user can get as well, it's not an uncommon thing, remember this is about the Science and one user crunching all the data can cause HUGE problems if their pc is not working correctly.I've just joined Ithena, looks like the measurements project runs all the time, but there's no point in running it on more than one computer since it's checking your internet connection and they'd all get the same answer. The computation one I put on all of them, but that only has work every few weeks for 12 hours. The measurements one only has Linux tasks available just now, so I added it with a Virtualbox Linux. ROFL it warns you will be connecting to porn sites. Waits for police at door.... Its not really "checking" your internet connection. It is more "mapping" the route data is traveling between locations. And that route can actually change between cycles. There was another project called Dimes (non-BOINC) years ago that did essentially the same "science" but it was discontinued. Basically the same piece of data could travel infinite different paths to get to the same location. In theory they are supposed to take the shortest path but lines get congested, hardware over tasked or down, some re-routed intentionally for various reasons (including tracking), etc.. In theory they could take this data and make smarter devices/networks to make things more efficient. |
Send message Joined: 18 Sep 23 Posts: 7 Credit: 3,465 RAC: 260 |
I haven't kept up with LHC after they merged all 4 of their projects into one and then converting the CMS dev project into the lhc-dev project. However, back in 2015 the process was to "send an e-mail to Ivan.Reid@CERN.ch with the Subject: "CMS@Home Request. This in turn will be used to provide you with an invitation code that is used during account creation." I didn't have to do this as my account was created before the invite codes were needed. I hope that helps you out a bit.Ivan is currently in hospital with bleeding on the brain after he slipped in his kitchen, hit his head on the worktop, and fell unconscious for a few days. Luckily a neighbour found him. I won't bother him with such a request at the moment. I don't blame you. I wouldn't bother him either. However, they may be another admin that could do the same if you asked in LHC forums. I honestly don't even know if that was still the preferred method for getting the code. |
Send message Joined: 17 Sep 23 Posts: 42 Credit: 21,091 RAC: 1,117 |
I don't blame you. I wouldn't bother him either. However, they may be another admin that could do the same if you asked in LHC forums. I honestly don't even know if that was still the preferred method for getting the code.I'm not on good terms with a lot of them :-) |
Send message Joined: 17 Sep 23 Posts: 42 Credit: 21,091 RAC: 1,117 |
Its not really "checking" your internet connection. It is more "mapping" the route data is traveling between locations. And that route can actually change between cycles. There was another project called Dimes (non-BOINC) years ago that did essentially the same "science" but it was discontinued. Basically the same piece of data could travel infinite different paths to get to the same location. In theory they are supposed to take the shortest path but lines get congested, hardware over tasked or down, some re-routed intentionally for various reasons (including tracking), etc.. In theory they could take this data and make smarter devices/networks to make things more efficient.So it maybe is useful to run all my computers on it, as they will get different paths, and are maybe doing different traces anyway. Not sure why they have the warning I could damage/overload/cost me extra money my internet connection by running them all on it. The total throughput is no more than 0.1 Mbit out of my 32 down 7 up connection. |
Send message Joined: 17 Sep 23 Posts: 42 Credit: 21,091 RAC: 1,117 |
Its not really "checking" your internet connection. It is more "mapping" the route data is traveling between locations. And that route can actually change between cycles. There was another project called Dimes (non-BOINC) years ago that did essentially the same "science" but it was discontinued. Basically the same piece of data could travel infinite different paths to get to the same location. In theory they are supposed to take the shortest path but lines get congested, hardware over tasked or down, some re-routed intentionally for various reasons (including tracking), etc.. In theory they could take this data and make smarter devices/networks to make things more efficient.Or spot government interference! I wonder why they invite you to use the tor network to access the Ithena homepage. |
Send message Joined: 18 Sep 23 Posts: 7 Credit: 3,465 RAC: 260 |
Well....when you could run up to 1,000 instances on a single host, it adds up quick... Plus it is a lot of small data and put stress on routers/modems. And with a 1,000/PC you can get an awful lot of traffic going that adds up. |
Send message Joined: 17 Sep 23 Posts: 42 Credit: 21,091 RAC: 1,117 |
Well....when you could run up to 1,000 instances on a single host, it adds up quick... Plus it is a lot of small data and put stress on routers/modems. And with a 1,000/PC you can get an awful lot of traffic going that adds up.Less traffic than say LHC. I could run 40Mbit both ways with that. It doesn't break a router to overload it, it just slows down, it's not like a car. You're asking it to do a lot, not giving it a higher voltage. |
Send message Joined: 13 Sep 23 Posts: 13 Credit: 6,616 RAC: 273 |
Perhaps you should try some of the solutions in this post? I'll give that a try later, been just to busy today to mess with it, I'll report what happened, may be 6-7 Hr's before I get to it ... |
Send message Joined: 14 Sep 23 Posts: 3 Credit: 31,393 RAC: 1,011 |
It's a brand new, to the public, Project and it makes sense to limit the number of tasks per user so everyone gets some and not one person gets all of them and the rest of us get none. As the Admin said overtime they expect to up that to more tasks per pc. Look at the Project Ithena and how they are always having 'database full' messages because too many users are overwhelming the amount of space they have. They are working on it by increasing some of the task sizes but it will take time and probably money to fix the problem. MilkyWay limits the number of tasks a single user can get as well, it's not an uncommon thing, remember this is about the Science and one user crunching all the data can cause HUGE problems if their pc is not working correctly.I've just joined Ithena, looks like the measurements project runs all the time, but there's no point in running it on more than one computer since it's checking your internet connection and they'd all get the same answer. The computation one I put on all of them, but that only has work every few weeks for 12 hours. The measurements one only has Linux tasks available just now, so I added it with a Virtualbox Linux. ROFL it warns you will be connecting to porn sites. Waits for police at door.... I read somewhere that advocates were using the data against the cable companies to prove that 'high speed internet' is not always what they claim it is, no idea where I saw it though but if it's available that would make sense. My own cable company claims over 80% of it's client have access to 'high speed internet' but over 30% of their clients still use wifi as their is no cable of any kind running to their homes. Some areas have zero internet whatsoever and kids have to go to the local McDonalds or library to do their homework. Some teachers have stopped assigning homework in areas where the students have no access to the internet from home. |
Send message Joined: 17 Sep 23 Posts: 42 Credit: 21,091 RAC: 1,117 |
I read somewhere that advocates were using the data against the cable companies to prove that 'high speed internet' is not always what they claim it is,You mean it's only fast to the test site but they have no connection to a lot of the backbones? no idea where I saw it though but if it's available that would make sense. My own cable company claims over 80% of it's client have access to 'high speed internet' but over 30% of their clients still use wifi as their is no cable of any kind running to their homes. Some areas have zero internet whatsoever and kids have to go to the local McDonalds or library to do their homework. Some teachers have stopped assigning homework in areas where the students have no access to the internet from home.Is there not 4G? |
Send message Joined: 16 Sep 23 Posts: 10 Credit: 42,721 RAC: 2,816 |
Its not really "checking" your internet connection. It is more "mapping" the route data is traveling between locations. And that route can actually change between cycles. There was another project called Dimes (non-BOINC) years ago that did essentially the same "science" but it was discontinued. Basically the same piece of data could travel infinite different paths to get to the same location. In theory they are supposed to take the shortest path but lines get congested, hardware over tasked or down, some re-routed intentionally for various reasons (including tracking), etc.. In theory they could take this data and make smarter devices/networks to make things more efficient. There was also a BOINC project that did something similar. Spiders? Depspid? Something like that. |
Send message Joined: 16 Sep 23 Posts: 3 Credit: 16,190 RAC: 872 |
Its not really "checking" your internet connection. It is more "mapping" the route data is traveling between locations. And that route can actually change between cycles. There was another project called Dimes (non-BOINC) years ago that did essentially the same "science" but it was discontinued. Basically the same piece of data could travel infinite different paths to get to the same location. In theory they are supposed to take the shortest path but lines get congested, hardware over tasked or down, some re-routed intentionally for various reasons (including tracking), etc.. In theory they could take this data and make smarter devices/networks to make things more efficient.So it maybe is useful to run all my computers on it, as they will get different paths, and are maybe doing different traces anyway. Not sure why they have the warning I could damage/overload/cost me extra money my internet connection by running them all on it. The total throughput is no more than 0.1 Mbit out of my 32 down 7 up connection. A single instance of iThena Measurements doesn't use much data. But if you have a lot of them it can add up very quickly and that can be a problem for people who have low data caps. |
Send message Joined: 13 Sep 23 Posts: 10 Credit: 11,962 RAC: 518 |
Its not really "checking" your internet connection. It is more "mapping" the route data is traveling between locations. And that route can actually change between cycles. There was another project called Dimes (non-BOINC) years ago that did essentially the same "science" but it was discontinued. Basically the same piece of data could travel infinite different paths to get to the same location. In theory they are supposed to take the shortest path but lines get congested, hardware over tasked or down, some re-routed intentionally for various reasons (including tracking), etc.. In theory they could take this data and make smarter devices/networks to make things more efficient. Yes, DepSpid, that's right. https://www.boinc-af.org/projets-termines-suspendus/depspid.html |
Send message Joined: 13 Sep 23 Posts: 13 Credit: 6,616 RAC: 273 |
Perhaps you should try some of the solutions in this post? Didn't work for me, project still says I don't have VT Enabled even though Task Manager & BIOS says it's Enabled. I'm not even getting any work on the lone Box that was getting work previously but I noticed the Project didn't have any work to send late last night. |
Send message Joined: 18 Sep 23 Posts: 7 Credit: 3,465 RAC: 260 |
A bunch of small or tiny requests can overwhelm a modem just as much or more as one data heavy connection. So, you don't have to use all of your bandwidth to bring your modem down. It is managing all of those connections bombarding it at once like a DDoS or sorts. |
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